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The first machine I had with enough delay time to loop was a nice Korg tape echo, but the feedback would either fade away or turn to mush before I could do much layering. My first real looper was a Lexicon Prime Time II. I've forgotten exactly how much delay time it had, but I seem to remember that by halving the clock speed (and bandwidth) you could get 8 seconds or more of high quality looping, with lots of overdub potential. The PT 2 was a two tap delay with multi-waveform lfo modulation, envelope following, infinite hold and rather luxurious on board mixing facilities. One fun trick was to get a long ambient delay happening, then set one tap to a very short (3-10 ms) delay and quickly mix in some heavy feedback from that tap. Do this a few times and bask in wonderful, rolling, metallic clouds... I wish I still had that machine! Mark