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>d/t mentioned Loop Artifacts. I am in love with >artifacts..........there, >I said it <smile> Cool thread. I love this kind of stuff, and have a few examples to share. I've been doing hard disk recording on a series of underpowered computers for years now, starting with Deck on a Powermac 7100, through Logic Audio on an 8500 to my current system, Logic on a G4 (OK, I guess that one's not underpowered). Of course, I've had more than my share of crashes while doing audio. I've noticed that each program has a different way of dealing with a disk crash during playback, and that these can be seen as creative opportunities. F'rinstance, Deck would tend to loop a random length sample of the current disk buffer when it crashed. Sometimes these loops'd be really cool, definitely not things that I'd think of on my own. So I'd keep a DAT around to bounce these loops to before rebooting. Logic tends to append little arbitrary globs of sound onto the end of the audio files used in the track., often after rebooting, I'd find the last few seconds of each track would have a random mix of other tracks. On my solo disk (http://www.newandimprov.com/ATD.html) I used 2 of these crash-produced loops as tracks. Thus far my new computer hasn't crashed, which I suppose is a good thing, but I do miss the random jolts of creativity. I do mastering for a local jazz label, Louie Records (http://www.peak.org/~louirec). One process I use is to set loop markers in Peak or Logic at various points in a tune to fine tune the compression and EQ settings. A lot of the time, these loops will be really interesting on their own. So much so that when the label head heard some of these, it got me a gig, I'm doing a remix disc of the entire label, given free access to anything on any of their discs to screw with as I please. Should be a LOT of fun. On a somewhat related note, over the years that I've been doing recording, one of the understandings I've had with the musicians I work with is that I get free use of whatever I record to use as samples in my own work. For me, this side steps a lot of the copyright issues, and adds a more personal side to my stuff, these samples have associations and meanings for me that are totally different from what the average listener would get from the piece. For me, this is more interesting than the plunderphonic approach, which I think is valid, but just not something I do anymore. For me, when I build a moody ambient piece from a slowed-down slide guitar solo from a locally-produced children's music CD, I KNOW no one else is using that sample. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Trenkel New and Improv Music http://www.newandimprov.com improv@peak.org Now Available: Minus: Dark Lit "This is music all-consuming in its beauty and power" -Jake TenPas OSU Daily Barometer -------------------------------------------------------------------------