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Mark >> Yeah, but put in a wet/dry mix control, like every other pro effect processor every made. Andre > This gets into the whole issue of, "What is a looper SUPPOSED to do? Is it SUPPOSED to operate like a pro effects processor?" With all due respect Andre, this is a system integration problem. EVERYONE using a mixer and bussing the looper on an aux send is going to have this problem, and provide a workaround to solve it. Managing multiple inputs/instruments/voices usually involves a mixer. Someone at the board at a show who would like to add a looper for post processing will have problems with the lack of a wet/dry mix control. Granted the Repeater has an awesome feature set... They are cutting off simple integration of their product to a very LARGE user group. A question for DT... how are you patching it? Andre > On the other hand, if someone's approaching it from a multi-track recording perspective, and looking at Repeater as being a portable, hardware extension of a program like ACID, then things like wet/dry mixes and feedback functions won't be an issue, because those features don't have anything to do with multitrack recording. In the multi-track paradigm, most multi-track studios manage their dsp's/loopers etc using the same fx buss / aux buss architecture most mixers are designed with. ACID is a DAW multi-track with it's own limitations etc. Mix seems like a simple OBVIOUS function. Why was it left off? Damon? Andre > And beyond that, if there WERE a wet/dry control on Repeater, how should it be implemented? Should there be a universal balance that affects all four tracks uniformly? Should each channel have its own discrete balance? Should there be both? If so, how should they interact? A universal balance. That way it WORKS on an aux send of a mixer. This is basic, studio setup stuff here. Andre > I do think there's a certain dichotomy starting to emerge in terms of feature sets, with the Repeater more geared towards multi-track-style recording, panning, processing, and storage of stereo audio, and the EDP more geared towards live, spontaneous interactive performance and in-depth sample editing between the input and the looper. Once again. Conventional Multi-Track style is typically the usual aux send sorta deal, which asks for 100% wet operation. Standard studio practice. This is the reason I don't use Vortexes, and Line 6 DL4, as much as I love them both. I'm not willing to either jettison my mixer, or ADD more gear to deal with managing feedback and volume jumps due to having dry signal present in something on an aux send. I've dealt with it many, many times, and it's a pain in the butt. > I think this sort of issue is interesting, since it re-opens the whole >issue of what a looper should or should not have. Some people will no >doubt find it a serious set-back. Others won't ever miss it. If I were selling a product and KNEW I'd lose users due to a simple oversight, I'd clear that up. If Electrix is listening, I'm adding my request for wet/dry mix as well as single button press to go from record to overdub. This is also a serious ommision. Miko Biffle - Miko.Biffle@asml.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!"