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Hallo people (again), Miko Biffle wrote: >> With all due respect Andre, this is a system integration problem. EVERYONE using a mixer and bussing the looper on an aux send is going to have this problem, and provide a workaround to solve it. Managing multiple inputs/instruments/voices usually involves a mixer.<< Thanks for your graciousness, Miko. It's genuinely appreciated. And with all due respect to you, I personally have never used a mixer and/or an aux send bus with a looper, and I've been using an Echoplex since October of 1995. Now, clearly, this is an issue for someone like yourself, since it's an intrinsic part of the way you work. On the other hand, there are people who don't use loopers in the way you're describing it, who aren't going to be thinking in those terms. I would suggest that the design team at Electrix is one such group of people. >> In the multi-track paradigm, most multi-track studios manage their dsp's/loopers etc using the same fx buss / aux buss architecture most mixers are designed with. << Doesn't it seem like the Repeater is designed as more of an "all-in-one" multitrack feature box, rather than being something that you fundamentally integrate into a larger system? It seems less like a component you'd plug into an external mixer, and more like a thing you'd use independently, in and of itself. The absence of a wet/dry control certainly seems to lend credence to that theory... >> ACID is a DAW multi-track with it's own limitations etc. << And Repeater is a hardware DAW-style multitrack with its own limitations as well, clearly. >> A universal balance. That way it WORKS on an aux send of a mixer. This is basic, studio setup stuff here. << But a Repeater isn't a basic piece of studio gear. It's a product that draws on a lot of different points of view and combines them into something that we haven't seen before. Look, I'm not trying to be a salesperson for the Repeater (where's my endorsement deal, Damon?!) I don't own one, and I don't have any particular need for one in the work I do. But I do think it's worth stopping for a second, stepping outside onesself, and looking at where the unit is coming from before chastizing the company for not fulfilling any individual user's vision of the ideal tool. >> Once again. Conventional Multi-Track style is typically the usual aux send sorta deal, which asks for 100% wet operation. Standard studio practice. << And once again :-), the Repeater ain't your conventional studio tool, and I don't believe it was designed as such. >> This is the reason I don't use Vortexes, and Line 6 DL4, as much as I love them both. << You are aware that the Vortex can set up an independent wet/dry mix for each individual patch, I assume? It's not a hardware balance knob, certainly. But I personally wouldn't let that stop me from integrating it into the very sort of mixer-aux-send scenario you describe yourself; in fact I've used a Vortex as an effect through a send, as my main external unit, dozens of times, and it works great. >> If I were selling a product and KNEW I'd lose users due to a simple oversight, I'd clear that up. If Electrix is listening, I'm adding my request for wet/dry mix as well as single button press to go from record to overdub. This is also a serious ommision. << Well, 1) Obviously Electrix didn't KNOW that this was a serious problem; 2) Considering that they've had a waiting list of users for about a year, none of whom had ever even USED a Repeater before placing their orders, I don't think Electrix is saddled with a lack of customer interest; 3) Until such time as people have ACTUALLY USED the thing in the real world, I'm not convinced that this is the end of the world for anyone. Again, folks: A lot of these posts have the ring of, "Wow, this thing isn't what I thought it would be." And, again: The specs and details of the unit have been readily available for the better part of a year. Nobody made anyone buy a unit without trying it first. If you actually try working with the thing and it absolutely cannot do what you want it to after you've learned its interface, then that's the time to start making requests for design modifications. Until then, though... Chill, peeps! Again, all said with all possible respect to all parties involved... --Andre