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This is exactly how I do things,too, I have gear/tech evenings, programming my gr30, ms2000 (great for mangling loops) and vortex tweaking, then I have nights where I forget all that, and play. often I bring up a git synth patch that I know Ive worked on recently but forgotten what it is and tentativly bring it into what Im doing, sometimes it doesnt work, but its great when it does.!!! IF you dont get tech probs, Andy, As the Vortex guy, I seem to have developed some weird stuff with mine, namely fave old patches have mysteriously changed, volume of loops have dropped, doesnt respond to changes. I used to have a thing where things like this would happen and a switch off and on normally did the trick, now it seems to be permanent.!!! Any regular/known problems with Vortex that I can fix myself, (cleaning soldering wiggling of components etc???) Mark (still no repeaters in Norway yet) Red SoundFNR@aol. com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com cc: 07/09/2001 Subject: Re: the power of limits 10:18 Please respond to Loopers-Delig ht I like the approach of taking what gear (or compositional techniques) you have and just getting on with making music, most of the time I work in that way. Sometimes, however, the sound/structure I want just occurs in my head, for no particular reason. It then becomes a matter of seeking out the 'gear' I need if I ever want to hear the result. Once I'd tried out the simplest looping boxes (a sampling delay stompbox, probably by Boss) I started to want the 'recording studio live' scenario. The setup I have now allows me to do that, (but of course I now get sidetracked into the other possibilities on offer. ) I guess there's 2 types of creativity involved here, for instance I can spend a whole evening creating a patch(morph) for the Lexicon Vortex, trying out stuff fairly analytically and looking through the manual. Then later I can dial up that patch and make music, and by responding to what I hear I can often find possibilities in the patch that i hadn't designed for. The first process here isn't usually as gratifying as the second, all the setting up can be a bit tedious. The part I really enjoy is getting to respond to, and play with the new sounds. So maybe there's:- Working to extend the limits, which can be a somewhat dry intellectual experience. and Working within the limits, which is more immediate (and fun). just ideas (please pull apart) andy butler