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"ACID Guys" ?.... I resemble that remark ! Ok, so there are two minds to this "Loop Collective", but why must he distinguish between the two. I thought that the sole purpose of this list was to exchange ideas, and open up new frontiers to Loop Based Music, no matter what the source of that music is. I must admit, I did get on this list "back in the day", because I was an Hardware based looper, and I wanted to gleam more info on creating loop based music. This list, gave me my direction. For the type of music I create, I needed an application that allows me to mix slice and dice sound quickly and accurately, and also allow me to store that info, for later retrieval, so I went with the PC based looping. Now, I have nothing against the "Hardware" loopers, in fact, I read their posts also, especially the ones relating info on new samplers, and other loop based hardware. I even read the EDP one's so that I can get a feel, for what you guys are doing, in the realm of hardware... Just think, I might have to use an EDP one day.... **** So, why separate the list ? If there are Hardware guys, who think that we "Acid Guys" are upstarts, I guess they can ignore our posts (and I must admit, there are VERY FEW posts to read... I think I generate 59 % of the software stuff alone). Lucien E. Darthard A Goal Is A Dream With A Deadline Placed On It. http://ldarthard.ohgo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp