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i think there are "previous generation" used ones available (at least in the 8 track format) that would be under 5 bills, but i'm not sure. btw, tom, we have met before. i live in boston doing weird electronic music, sometimes using yamaha wind controllers (we met at a party in manhattan a few years ago, introduced by m. evenson)...hi! deknow >> > i'd stay away from the vestax...but i'd look at fostex. they have a >> line of 8 and 16 track recorders that are rack mountable, and resemble >> adat's in form and feel... >> but those are WAY over the $500 price tag! >> > deknow >> >