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>I came in late, so I don't know: Did you consider cafepress.com for this? >--- >* just-john@just-john.com http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml * John, thanks for the tip! i hadn't seen that site before. however, the main motivation for this excercise was to get us all our shirts we've been screaming for, and to feed kim as much of the proceeds as possible. on the cafepress site, shirts are 14 bucks base cost. which means a significant amount on top of that to get anything to kim and LD. plus, they are printing digitally on the shirts, which means only white or ash shirts only, and (from my experience), not much longevity on the print. a screenprinted white logo on dark shirts, if done correctly, will last until the shirt is coming apart at the seams... it would have been interesting if we had known about this site from the beginning and maybe could have worked around their advantages/disadvantages, but i think jason's done a great job working with his local printer! i must admit i'm suspicious of these sites that offer something for free that requires manpower, organizing, manufacturing and distribution. no one works for free, so the costs are hidden somewhere. internet businesses that worked on the principle of needing maximum usage to recoup for minimal profit margins are quickly finding themselves out of business when folks didn't come rushing in in the numbers they expected. this is my humble opinion only. your mileage may vary. thanks again, rich