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scott, when peter b said, >> >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really performing >> >Frippertronics. and i then replied: >> cchhhhwwrauugh, now *there's* a (dinosauric) crock of shite..... again! >> so many years later, this minor ignorance still gets up my nose. >> what exactly is a 'soundscape'?; .....well..... i meant to pose a rhetorical question, in order to point out that not everyone who uses looping-instruments employs 'soundscapes'/'frippertronics' as their 'model' or 'base'. regardless, thanks for your response. >OK - This is my turf. Soundscapes are sound environments, usually >beatless, >and strongly connected to the original ambient concept stated by Brian >Eno: >"Ambient Music must be able to accomodate many levels of listening >attention >without enforcing one in particular; it must be as ignorable as it is interesting." with no disrespect meant for b. eno -(far from it, in fact)-, a publicly repeated verbal definition of an aesthetic oeuvre does not necessarily also mark the actual genesis of that oeuvre. see: k. stockhausen, j. cage, t. riley, etc etc. >Eno's "Music For Airports (ambient one)" was multiple-loop based music >but "On Land (ambient three)" is a better example of soundscapes created using >a variety of techniques to establish a series of sonic landscapes. thanks. i've only heard these works, in passing..... as they were maybe meant to be heard. *-) >While Eno coined the term "ambient music" for these types of music, >the term "soundscape" was coined by composer R. Murray Scafer for the >everyday sound environments that we live in. His World Soundscape Project >is dedicated to listening to, measuring, analysing and documenting the >world's >sound environments. (His book "The Tuning Of The World" is a good >reference.) thanks for that! >Musical soundscapes are designed to replace, enhance or intermingle with >our personal daily soundscapes. They can often be mood-altering or >enhancing. i posed another rhetorical q., then: >> what exactly is 'frippertronics', but a description of robert's version >of >> techniques that were already in existence when he learnt them? and you replied..... >That's exactly what it is. that's what i think; again, i was responding to how i perceived peter b's root-assumption, which seemed to imply that all loopists are attempting 'soundscapes/frippertronics'..... which, imo, is erroneous if merely uninformed. best, dt / s-c