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Lawson >> Is that a bad thing? Is Fripp any less influential in either real or theoretical terms because he was taking that which was being caried out largely in academia and then regurgitating it in a pop context (or even that which was being used in a fringe pop way, and making it a little more mainstream)? DT > no, i don't think so!, and, i certainly wasn't ever degrading rf's role as a **major** influence, in this oeuvre..... not at all, though someone may have misinterpreted my ridiculous blabbering thusly..... i was, though, attempting to illustrate how easily 'popular opinion' can recast 'history', and that i react very negatively to that. It's quite easy to take Fripp's fairly standoffish public 'stance' as pretention and extrapolate all sorts of other faults and fallacies to his practices. So many of us have had a very long-held love/hate releationship with his music and personna... I tend to think that because he's had such a *major* impact, that it's easy to resent folks overlooking many of those we all seem to consider essential milestones. Lawson >> I'm a firm believer in credit where it's due, so it would be nice if peope perceived as innovators were a little more vocal in crediting sources..... very unusual, for musicians to do so. Sometimes it feels like you're abandoning a hard-earned 'atmosphere' created by the music at a performance, to take any time talking about other aspects of a performance. I find myself most engaged by either complete folksiness, or complete muteness and letting the music speak on it's own. I certainly think liner notes and interviews are places where these credits could be communicated? DT > it's more important to be 'personal', imho. That's what makes it art as opposed to craft for me... The subject of originality sometimes seems so completely focused on creating, seemingly from scratch with no references to other people's work, etc. The folk tradition otoh, focuses on taking given forms and breathing new life into them. I'm wondering where the middle ground between these two might lie; while avoiding comparisons to bland, banal forms we all seem to loathe here? Some of the Euro bands like Hedningarna and Garmarna seem to have a very cool blend of modern instrumentation and mythic storytelling, without resorting to the gypsy-and-shawl personna. (This is all about my selfish quest to comingle my folkie-self with my skronky-improv-self!) Best, -Miko