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Good points made by everyone here... a few additional ideas that come to my mind: It's really useful to learn how to "steer" your looping in a particular direction. This applies both in general musical terms (i.e. being able to hear complementary notes/harmonies/rhythms to add to whatever is already in the loop) and in specific technical terms as well -- the finer points of the particular gear you're looping with, and what it can (and can't) do. Exploring the deeper technical points of your looper is a good way of becoming more fluid and authoriative with the unit, and it also can help steer an improv in a specific direction, by helping you to focus on one or two particular techniques. Feedback, loop volume, insertmode=replace (on an EDP), tempo/pitch change (on a Repeater), multiply, undo... these are all hugely powerful tools that can turn a ho-hum loop into something really special (or vica versa!) Try practicing by specifically isolating a small number of looping features, and see how much milage you can squeeze out of them. If you're used to using a lot of effects processing in your rig, try removing everything except the looper and the input instrument, and find ways of cultivating musical interest without anything else in the signal chain (this has been a huge help for me personally). Like Steve, I actually find it easier in some ways to loop in front of a live audience, or when I'm recording. Doing it at home on my own time, without an audience or rolling tape/disk, is more relaxed, but perhaps for that very reason I have a harder time focusing on the stuff as a specific musical event right then and there. Specifically sitting down and recording what I do as I practice at home is really helpful to me, because it forces me to think in a very immediate mindset, in terms of creating a cohesive statement right then and there. (It's also useful to be able to listen back after the fact.) I think a big part of learning how to loop successfully (whether live or otherwise) involves being open to the idea of NOT necessarily being in complete control all the time... but rather being open to mistakes and random musical events, and then cultivating enough technique to be able to steer those random, serendipitous events into a particular direction. That said, though, a lot of the "peril" of looping stems from the fundamental "peril" of improvising, I think. And as such, there are always going to be some that don't quite get off the ground. I also agree with the general attitude about doing several shows as practice, and would agree with Steve's idea that a low-key coffeehouse environment can be a good way to go. I sympathize with David Beardsley's comment about Steve Sandburg (or anyone else) being a professional... I guess my answer would be that sometimes it can be in a professional's interest to forego a bit of payment in the short term, in the interest of cultivating a solid foundation of experience. You might think of potential income lost on doing a free gig as payment for the chance to do your thing in front of an audience -- one of the very best lessons you can get when learning how to implement technology into your live routine. Doing free shows can be a good way of building up a group of listeners, and of introducing your music to people who might not take a chance on seeing it if you're doing a paying gig. And there's also the idea that someone shouldn't necessarily expect payment for a service (i.e. looping) until they've actually got a solid, professional grasp on that service, and feel confident in being able to deliver in such a way. Of course, none of this is a reflection on any specific people here; I say all of this in a very generalized sense. (David, do you have any specific examples you could offer of how to cultivate paying work in the microtonal performance realm? That would probably apply to looping work...) Anyway... --Andre LaFosse http://www.altruistmusic.com