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Hi Todd, Thanks for your comments. Even though it appears to be a discussion about compressors, my original question dealt with the Output signal becoming overloading and distorting because of the additional volume/sound being created by the looping device. In this case a Repeater. My question was an attempt to find out how best to get my gain structure set so that when I started adding in layers and layers of additional sound, my output didn't distort. Since I am running my setup in series (see my original message) there seems to be a tendency for the Repeater to add significant amounts of additional gain with each layer created for my sound. Thanks, Steve > Well, it seems to me that you'd want a compressor/limiter in front of > whatever device is receiving the largest fluctuations in gain > and thus > distorting unpleasantly. I've seen some rules of thumb for > guitarists using > compressors that recommend one as the first device in the > chain to provide a > great signal feeding whatever processors follow and then a > second at the end > of the chain to reign it all back in and clean it up before > feeding mixers, > tapes, PAs, etc.. Seems like good logic to me. > > Of course, there's a wealth of information on compressors out > there that > could shed some light on the topic, but in depth discussion > is probably > better suited to a general audio list. In the end, the best > bet is to play > around with whatever you can get your hands on (or off if > you're into the > minimalist thing) until you find something that you like to hear. :) > > Todd > > On Tue, 08 Jan 2002, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > Then maybe I should put my compressor after the Repeater as > well, just > > before I run it through the Lexicon MPX1? > > > > Steve > > > > > Yeah, guitar->Vortex->Boomerang->Mixer easily clips on the Mixer > > > inputs as soon as I flip on the overdrive and lay down a couple > > > distorted layers. I'm constantly watching levels lest I get the > > > awful digital crackle flavor > > > distortion from my mixer. I'm thinking of investing in a > > > second compressor for post-'Rang pre-Mixer limiting. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > Could be the same problem I'm having with the Vortex: > > > > Vortex=instrument level, Repeater=line level. I'm thinking > > > > > > of getting > > > > > > > a converter. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > On Monday, January 7, 2002, at 11:15 AM, M. Steven Ginn wrote: > > > > > I am currently using a Repeater "in series" in my > rig, with the > > > > > Repeater being the next to last item just before my > Lexicon MPX1 > > > > > which I use mostly for reverb. > > > > > > > > > > It seems with my setup that if I start building layers in > > > > > Repeater > > > > > (overdubbing) or even just lay down one repeating > loop and then > > > > > begin soloing over it, my output levels tend to overload and > > > > > distort. I know this isn't necessarily caused by the > > > > > > Repeater since > > > > > > > > at this point, it is just one more sound producing > unit in the > > > > > signal path (at least I don't think it is the cause). > > > > > > Anyway, can > > > > > > > > someone tell me if I running everything in series is the main > > > > > culprit and if this is why an aux send bus system is > better for > > > > > building up and playing layers of sound or am I missing > > > > > > something in > > > > > > > > properly balancing my gain structure? > > > > > > > > > > My setup: synths => line mixer, line mixer => compressor, > > > > > compressor => Repeater, Mo-FX connected to Repeater effects > > > > > loop, Repeater => Lexicon MPX1, Lexicon => direct box > for House > > > > > connection. > > > > > > > > > > I am using a Repeater, but I think the same situation > > > > > > would apply if > > > > > > > > I used an EDP as well. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Steve >