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Hi there, I've also found with the vortex probably due to the algorithms also is: if you set up a loop within the vortex to repeat infinately, after a while the loop will degrade into a different sound all together and no matter what the original source was, it degrades to a similar sound. Handy unit to have in conjunction with a Repeater though. I love it :-D Loop on, Ritchie еееееееееееееее http://ninja.at/play еееееееееееееее > Hi all, > > Seems like every so often the discussion comes up as to whether or not > the Vortex is a very noisy unit (I know I've been in the "mine is very > noisy" camp before.) Anyway, I recently took my studio apart and > re-wired it back together in an attempt so remove some of the hiss the > vortex was contributing to the effects loop. I put the vortex into its > own send/return so that I could at least control when I added the hiss > of the vortex, but before I did this I did a test. Plugging straight in > to the vortex and listening with headphones from the output on the back > of the unit, the vortex was very very clean, almost no hiss whatsoever. > After I got the mixer all wired back up I plugged in through that route > and what I discovered was that there was a fair amount of hiss in the > signal again. > > After some messing around I discovered the root of the problem I think. > The vortex seems to have a sort of feedback going on that takes any > incoming noise (like hum from a pickup or whatnot) and it sends it back > through the processor and so on until it becomes really audible. I > found that when I switched patches, the noise floor would drop down and > then slowly the hiss would start building up as the effect was on for a > while. > > > Kevin > >