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sorry lost original post for reply so hi ? The Exact way in which Reverse and Replace work together in Loop3 is not available in Loop4, however you can get very close . (results just as good) Matthias would be able to do a version of loop4 with the old Reverse/Insert from Loop3 as a one off. currently Matthias is getting ready for the final wave of Beta testing (ironing out a few known bugs) andy butler