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> and there's still nothing that compares to a Vortex, > nice to see it mentioned again > Andy Butler > <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm">Lexicon Vortex Da tabase > </A> This is not correct; using the unit's manual algorithms drawings I was able to replicate almost all Vortex algorithms on my Eventide Orville. These algos also work on DSP4000/GTR4000/DSP4500/DSP7000/DSP7500. Having a better and more in depth description of Vortex algos would improve my design a bit. The manual doesn't tell the whole story, of course. On my unit I'm also able to take advantage of more delay memory (259 sec @48KHz sampling) and more power to add fx everywhere in the signal flow, not to mention midi control. all the best Italoop ___________________________________________ EVENTIDE AUDIO CUSTOMERS SUPPORT italo@eventide.com