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Hi Richard, Thanks for detailing Joseph Hammer's (non-repetitive) looping technique. Using recorded sound-as-art material, or non-musical devices as instruments, served my point departure from painting to sound and performance in the late-70s. I saw Joseph perform last August with Cindy Bernhard at Beyond Baroque, in Venice. It was Part of Brandon LaBelle's: "Beyond Music" festival. They performed just after dusk on the steps outside the venue. Cindy was handling light projection: slowly changing color fields on a screen set up behind Joseph. I don't recall what the light source was, however. Regarding the visual aspect...As the outside temperature dropped fog off the ocean, which is only a mile or two away, began enveloping the audience as we stood or sat on the lawn out front. Joseph wore white gloves while handling the tape. He also had a laptop next to his Ampex deck. I couldn't tell how it may have been used to manipulated the sound. Maybe it was generating color for the projection instead. I could certainly observe correlations between Joseph's tape manipulation and how they effected the source sounds of music and voices. Best regards, Eric --------------------- Eric Leonardson: http://pages.ripco.net/~eleon Upcoming Performances: Sunday, Feb. 3 at 10pm, live on "Something Else," WLUW 88.7 FM, Chicago Performing on Springboard and electronics with Jason Soliday on computer. Hosted by Philip von Zweck. This broadcast can also be heard via streaming audio. Link via http://www.wluw.org/. Thursday, Feb. 7, 10pm at the Fireside Bowl, Chicago. Performing on Springboard and electronics with Nick Sondy, bass and electronics. Also playing, Dowser. Hosted by Thax Douglas. Thursday, Feb. 21, Opening of Plasticene's "And So I May Return" at the Viaduct, 3111 N. Western Ave., Chicago. For more info call (312) 409-0400.