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Tardy sez: I suppose for those just looking for a "DL4 with user presets and MIDI", this will be a disappointingly user-unfriendly device. For those looking for lots of tweaking and knob-twiddling potential, I suppose this box will be of serious interest. Either way, there seem to be some interesting concepts at work. Whoa. You're not kidding. I downloaded the manual and had a brief look myself, and I'm psyched. If you like the Vortex, you'll probably love this thing. A few sample apps I thought of: -Set parallel delays tapped at 40% and 80%, with no feedback. Get yer 4/4 rhythm going, tap yer tempo, count off a 5-count over the four, and play notes on 1 and 2. The UD will fill in notes on 3, 4, 5, and 1. This works for other odd (and normal) meters as well, and you can chunk a couple of delays together if the 700 msec single line is not sufficient for your tempo. Takes a little more math than the Korg DL8000 or the D-Two, but neither of those fit in yer pedalboard. =) -Set parallel or cascading infinite delay lines, pan them independently, modulate some, and turn the inputs on and off selectively. Sweet for evolving ambient textures. -I think you can run an infinite delay (or more than 1) and a sampled phrase simultaneously. -Not sure from reading the manual, but the UD may be smart enough to run asynchronous loops in phrase sample mode. We may have to try it to be sure. Note: everything that I described above can be done WITHOUT MIDI, using the on-board switches. Obviously control gets much deeper if you add a pedalboard, or even just a CC pedal. I could have a lot of fun with this in the effects loop of my Repeater.... Release date: February; estimated street price (based on the AG Stomp): $400. Drool on, Scott ===== Scott Martin coirbidh_99@yahoo.com You can't make me think like you, mundane -Incubus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com