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>>>Steve Lawson really turned me onto the idea of playing really long loops that 'hint' at metricity and then memorizing the loops until one can play against them. Since getting turned on to this cool concept (I think he played one loop for 17 hours while he did e-mail and farted around his house until he had every 'event' of the loop memorized) I have been experimenting with the whole idea of stretching time within a fixed loop length.<<< I've been doing this again recently with Lafosse-ised glitch fest loops, playing random noisy messy loops, dropping bits in and out with the insert function on my EDP, and then listening to it till I can properly 'harmonise' it (I use the concept of harmony in the loosest sense, but they lines are rhythmically consonant...) I was rather lucky that as soon as I started playing solo the concept of stretching time within loops seemed to me to yet another low maintainance way of letting looped music 'breath' and of taking away that aspect of thing being 'wrong' by not having an absolute metric measurement of timing - instead, having a relative sense of 'space' and phrasing between the notes and the different sections within the loop... Interestingly enough, the tune of mine that I guess delved deepest into this is a tune called 'No More Us And Them', the title of which came about after a conversation with Rick about the Dalai Lama... :o) What goes around comes around. One of the other spin offs of working on rhythm from a 'control and awareness' point of view rather than having metronomic time as your absolute reference is that when playing Hip-hop/UK Garage/Drum 'n' Bass and Latin rhythms where the beats are displaced. Two of the three sessions I've had this week have required a non-metronomic reading of rhythm, the first was a hip-hop remix track, and the second a whole slew of UK Garage/R 'n' B type grooves... ...and I still can't work out what Pino is doing on D'Angelo's Voodoo album!!! big love Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk (new CD with serious DL4 loopage available to listen and order here...)