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Chris, > loop-based noise. However, I find myself almost overwhelmed > by the possibilities that I know my gear is capable of. Wait until you reach that point when you're overwhelmed by the possibilities that you don't know your gear is capable of! And of course, a large setup, a few devices you don't understand at all, an unmarked patchbay, a "distributed set" of equipment (i.e. you have to take a few steps across the performance stage to get from device A to device B and from both points, can't see device C) all help in this part of the looping experience! Joking aside, my first experiences with looping as a "passive looper" (audient) came from "classical" music. Beethoven Symphony No.7, 3rd mov, or better still J.S. Bach, Passacaglia in c-minor for Organ BWV 582 (actually, I did a loop piece based on the passive theme of this composition contained on my mp3.com location, but it's not a great example of loop showmanship). First experiences with own looping: a composition of mine for big percussion ensemble, piano, synth and winds based on the idea of repeating patterns of different length (a concept which in various approaches can be found in the music of Terry Riley btw). The first idea to "do it yourself" using electronic means came from the King Crimson internet newsletter via the work of Robert Fripp. Although I didn't like his stuff, I started out with a few delays and a sequencer running in loop (also found in the examples on my page from the "A Blessing of Beers" album). "Real" looping started with the DL4, and since then, while sonic quality, complexity and of course routine has grown, I did not really progress into new (for me) uncharted territority. Perhaps this will happen if and when I do better understand my gear and (next to my live band project, a demanding job and my activities in sports) find time to simply think more about making loop-based music. Currently, my main rig (which I use for my weirdstuff music) incorporates with regards to looping a Repeater, a Vortex, a D Two and a Headrush (you Headrushers out there: have you ever tried plugging the different outs of the headrush tape echo into different effect processors ?). My "normal" rig contains loopwise a DL4 and a RDS2001 (both device are normally not used for looping, though, this rig is used for my concerts with my improvised contemporary dance crossover group "Eclectic Blah"). All the best wishes for your looping carreer - welcome to the club, and keep us posted. Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs