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Steve, I recently acquired a TC Electronics Fireworx I got used for ?1000, and although I only found the time to barely check through the presets, I'm convinced that this is THE device: The great thing about the Fireworx is the the great combination of "traditional" high quality effects (reverbs, pitch shifter, delay), flexible routing, parameter tweaking and realtime control and the addition of several extremely weird algorithms. If you absolutely need the best pitch shifter available - go for Eventide, for the best reverb in town, Lexicon might be the address, but for my use (I don't need reverbs that sound like a real room found anywhere on earth, anyway), the Fireworx does the trick as the "all-in-one single rackspace" machine several people have asked for on this list recently. A few highlights (mentioned partially with regard to ongoing threads here): the best distortion I found so far in a device that was not made exclusively for distortion, including digital sampling artifacts generator. A fine vocoder. A monophonic synth, which can be controlled by a pitch tracker, so you can have a synth that tracks your voice and sends the corresponding MIDI notes at the same time. The great "modifier matrix" concept. The filters are the bomb! Back to the discussion which had been ongoing here re: "How many loop manglers does one need ?": I could live with just the Fireworx as a loop mangler, plus a second Fireworx for the non-loop stuff, and then I'd be ready to extremely strip my rack down, getting rid of the Sony GR-MP5, the Digitech StudioQuad (a great device for its price BTW, the V2 version is going for below ?125 on ebay recently), the Vortex, the DL4 and the Filter Factory and just keep the Fireworxes plus a compressor... Rainer Rainer Straschill Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks - www.moinlabs.de digital penis expert group - www.dpeg.de The MoinSound Archives - www.mp3.com/moinlabs > -----Original Message----- > From: M. Steven Ginn [mailto:sginn@airmail.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 21. Mai 2002 01:03 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Effects units > > > I have been thinking about getting an Eventide Eclipse which looks > amazing, but I am wondering what anyones thoughts are about whether or > not it is worth it for the price? > > I recently saw a TC Electronics M2000 for about $700 and was wondering > if maybe that might be comparable to the Eclipse and save me > some money > in the mean time? > > Thanks, > Steve >