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OK forgive the baiting title but there is a point to this. From all the recent discussions on moving to somewhere else because the "loop community" seems stronger, to Loopfests and such I felt I had to pipe up. The greatest music I have heard from loopers (from the Looper's Delight CDs to recommendations in posting from Phil Keaggy to David Zorn) seems to me to be good *despite* looping, not because of it. Now don't get me wrong, I am all for looping and looping tools, and repetition, and messing with sound backwards, sideways, and again and again in-yo-face. I think my personal track record (for those of you who know me LOL) speaks for itself. BUT I personally feel that looping *itself* isn't the point, even on a list of people called the Looper's Delight. It's what you DO with looping and boy there is some *great* stuff done with looping out there. This may be stating the obvious but the gist I was getting is some people feel that they need to go somewhere where looping is encouraged or more prevalent and things would be different for them. I think that is a red herring. Loop where you are and DO something YOU want to do with it. Let's face it, looping and looping tools are pretty damn geeky as a rule. We don't do this for the money or glamour, we do it because our brains are wired differently (wrong? :)) Given that, you don't need to move across the country to be "successful" in looping or even play a gig with three or ten other loopers. As a matter of fact I've found more success when I *didn't* play with other loopers but as part of a diverse lineup of other acts. You reach more people that way and some of them even kind of dig it. I personally think I played better too. Phil Keaggy is consider an amazing *musician* not known to the general public as a looper. Adrian Belew uses looping out the wazoo but he also has a strong pop sensibility and tremendous talent as a songwriter and singer. Etc. People do fabulous things with all sorts of boxes. Buying an EDP or Jamman or whatever or seeing a band with one doesn't mean it'll be interesting or good or shite, it's just a box after all. Let's not forget where the loop soul comes from. Again, I am ALL for wanking and looping for the sake of it too. (Lord knows I am!) That is fun and has it's place as much as anything else. But let's keep it in perspective, we can (and DO ) do that anywhere. You don't HAVE to move or congregate to play. If you mix it up or play with other bands I guarantee you will not only get a bigger audience but you'll find your loop chops improving as well. And BTW Chicago is the GREATEST musical community this country has to offer IMO. I'd move from SF to there instead of the other way around LOL! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more.