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I have little to no experience with other drum machines, though I'm a bit surprised that there has been no mention of the Emu XL-7, the MP-7, or the Proteus 2500 (which is the exact same beast as the other two just dressed in more respectable clothing.) I didn't buy this as a drum machine, though it totally kicks the llama's butt. I bought it to replace my Proteus 2000 which I used as a sound module with both my keyboard and my Axon guitar synth. Basically, it's a 16 channel sequencer with an incredible user interface for live manipulation. Each of the 16 tracks can be punched in or out with dedicated buttons. 16 knobs control volume or pan for each track, OR editing of 16 different parameters of a selected internal sound, OR sending those 16 knobs out to control external gear via midi. To address the thread of keeping your "drum machine" sounding interesting, I would suggest keeping your loops long. The sequencer on this beast can play up to 32 measures (at any crazy time signature that you like) giving you the opportunity to play the same thing over and over with subtle inflections and differences each time. Let's say you have a 4/4 pattern at 4 measures long, you can repeat this segment 8 times before looping it. Each track can be quantized (or not) at a different quantization setting. I like to lay down a bass drum in a simple quantized mode. Then each additional track receives another sound from the wide variety of samples on the machine. For these tracks I leave the quantize function off, to give it a more "live" feel. I can turn on or off each track individually to vary the texture while playing it back. I can then go into "song mode" and record these track mutes or any other parameters (volume/pan changes, etc). Linking patterns back to back also happens in song mode. This is useful for the "verse/chorus/verse/middle section/verse/chorus" approach, or linking patterns with contrasting meters. In a live situation, it is a 16 track looper, much like the Repeater, though you can only use the internal sounds via midi (or external midi units too), as opposed to audio looping. First I set my loop length, start recording on track 1, (I can continue to add more and more sounds as it comes back around) then switch to track 2 (with a different sound) and layer that in etc. I can transpose tracks on the fly, add modulation or pitch bend, mess with the FX, trigger up to 16 different arpeggiators, play the one octave keypads, alter the master tempo in a variety of ways, the possiblities are legion. I haven't tried this yet, though I could input all of the tracks from my guitar synth, adding to the "live" aspect. Combined with a midi foot pedal controller like the FCB1010, many functions can be controlled via foot pedals. Unlike most midi gear that I've played with, the user interface on this beast is very friendly (as opposed to almost anything else that Emu has produced since they stopped doing the modular synth from the 70's.) The support staff has been great as well. Recently the price on the XL-7 and the MP-7 came down to $1,000 (street price), to match the Proteus 2500. Both the XL-7 and the MP-7 have the one octave keypads with aftertouch, a touchstrip ribbon controller and a 12v gooseneck light outlet, which do not appear on the Proteus 2500. The main distinguishing feature between all three is that they come with their own sound chip, (with three extra slots for more sounds). Right now Emu is doing a promotional sale on them where you get the Proteus sound chip free with purchase of the xx-7 module. You can find them new for about $840 if you look around and less if you are willing to buy them used. And there's a fantastic YahooGroup mailing list for these machines (second only to LD), with two Emu guys on it to answer and clarify any bugs or questions. Many of the current upgrades came from this list. My main quibble with it is the choice of color, which a can of spray paint should be able to address. I've had it for about two months, and I feel like I've only scratched the surface. Cheers, SVG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com