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Bruno, one approach I like a whole lot is something I've sort of named Structured Improvisation. Personally, I find that it tends to make loop-based peices a bit more accessible to an audience who may not completely be familiar with the genre. At the same time, it also allows for some very creative and flexible interprettation of musical and sonic ideas. You could compare it with the ideas of motief or chord structure within a piece, with the looped environment having a reoccurring melodic or harmonic or sonic motief, which may then almost, or completely change or even disappear, and then return later in the piece. It can also be transposed, modulated or modified in some way as well in the course of a loop piece. It makes the music more interesting, and gives it a form, rather than simply playing complete stream-of-conciousness material throughout. Now, looking at this idea as an environment, or as a chord progression in a song, you might use certain sounds or chords to create a specific ambiance where yu can then play a particular melody or stream-of-conciousness solo as a counterpoint and then let the environment change, and then return to it later. I like this way of playing, because within the framework of musical form you can then let the environments or motiefs transmute, and take you as the musician on a musical journey, letting them guide you to places you may not expect, and then in turn, guide them back from wherever they've taken you and the audience. It's a musical dance and dialogue. All and all, the piece not only moves, grows, and changes, and has incredible dynamic textures and expression, but also has tangeable musical form people can recognize and relate to, even if the music itself is different from what they may usually hear. So it becomes more accessible and can communicate some complex and beautiful ideas in a very intuitive way. <smile> Thanks so much for bringing up the musical idea of looping rather than just the whole tech thing, looping has such beautiful possibilities. Smiles, G-Girl At 04:42 PM 6/25/02 +0200, you wrote: >dear all > > >whenever I've time I take tours in your webpages >trying to listen and understand what everybody do with the looping > >It's very interesting trying to identify the not always conscious >process underlying >the operation of looping. > >Most of the times the first, almost instictive use of this technology >is a kinda of antidote to solitude >I.e.: I play by myself, but myself is me and my looping tools, that >multiply me and create other me (mainly comping, riffing or >droning...) so that I can play over that my solo, my solo, my >solo...and so on. > >This is what I call the lonesome guitarist complex... >looks very blue-eyed, I know, but believe it or not, it's what most of us >do >(I'm not calling myself out...) > >out from there opens a vaste land of possibilities: >where technology is no more a way to represent something >or to fill a gap > >I thought it would be interesting and usefull trying to describe >these operations >and try to build an archetypal or structural alphabet or a list of >possible processes >analyzed not in their concrete sequences of interactions with the >machine/machines >but under a more abstract point of view, whichever is the concrete >interpretation one can give >of that > >I'll bring just a couple of examples of looping- concepts I sometime use: > >THE HIDDEN PLOT >Start overdubbing layers with seemingly no rythmic sense. >the rythmic meaning comes at the end of the overdubbing >as a inexpected final result > >COMP MOVING >instead of looping the comping, loop the melody. >Then start comping over moving and changing the harmonic sense >of the phrase. > >I m's just considering now a tipical static way of interpretating the >loop thing. >Obviously structures become more and more complex when they become >dynamic, for instance with feedback, substitutions, etc. > >so what do we do when we loop? >Is there someone willing to share this? > >thank you > >bruno > > > >-- > > --- "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe