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To answer the current thread myself, I started experimenting with loops using a Juno1 and Fostex 4-track whilst I was still at school (1984 I think). It was a haphazard affair, using a 30 second looped audio cassette from an old answering machine - involving remixing pre-recorded tracks with live stuff. It was impossible to actually do much with it rhythmically, but it was fun :) I did not start looping again until I purchased a DD5 back in 93/94... the two second sampler back then seemed incredible :) "Wow look at me! I sound like two violins!!!".... again, it was pretty limited. It was not until I read a review about the Akai Headrush a couple of years ago that I really decided to give looping a go seriously. I saved up some money, and went out to purchase one. When I got to the music shop, the owner showed me the newly released DL4. A minute or so after playing with it, I decided that it was for me. Had I opted for the Headrush instead of the DL4, I probably would not be doing what I am doing now (musical street prostitution), as the Headrush is mains only. The other equipment I am using at home at the moment is the Repeater, and also Ableton's Live software. I'm unable to really test the latters limits properly , due to a crap USB soundcard (griffin imic) and the lack of a second Midi controller pedal. Temporary problems.... the solution solved with $$$'s. -- Stuart Wyatt - Solo String Project http://www.solostring.com stuart@solostring.com