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I happen to like the other-coloured ketchup (or is it
catsup?) that's been out - Orange, Green, Striped. But I still can't have
it on hot dogs. No, it's not a sex hangup. :)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 22:48
PM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or
"Memorex"
My
tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state one. Don't
know why...but it tastes better too!
Actually, this brings up something I've been curious
about for a while. Does ketchup have a direction?
>>ducks<<
aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really
muscians" thread!
personally, i've always really liked mustard, and
never understood how anyone could like ketcup ...
mike
In a
message dated 7/10/2002 11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ssrndpty@hotmail.com writes:
but it's not music.
It's music
apreciation.
you gotta be kiddin here when u say that
right?
they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they are
perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just that in
the more operative sense in the context that you mention here - such as BPM
matching, etc.
But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with Music" and as
someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play with music" as same
can be said of DJ Shadow.
Alll the afortementioned DJ's made very
clear and distinct music IMHO and were musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a
muscian and still could be considered musical regrdless as to whther there
is a backing track present or not IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain
type of virtuosity as a possibilty for them as much as any other traditional
musician can do the same
But The experience of music is not just
focused or dependent upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to
be based upon the process of actions a performer takes visually or
physically as much as it is perhaps more in the intentions and the
connection with the audience and the quality of that connection.. and also
there within where it goes or how it is dispersed.
that seems to be
the way you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way
of the music's story IMHO.
Its also sorta kinda like the difference
between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese
Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast
that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12 star
dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best and highly
trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the culinary arts
and can apprach cooking from many angles - experiemntal-classical, and in
between ).
But what you guys are saying is like sorta sayin that the
food at Buddha King isnt even food ( though there are arguments you could
make to that effect concerning all u can eat buffets as that it will surely
kill you over time if you eat the more unhealthy dishes they have there and
if especially so, you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large
portions it could give you a stomach ache:)
But you cant say it isnt
"food" they are eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say
that the experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they
didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all
that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate for
them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they arent
using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?
I think folks are expressing
outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are in turn
claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon themselves the
status of chef...who cares & why not?
But from my mind food is
food - be it cooked or uncooked.
"cooking" is just passing food along
to another state as that combinations and and re-combinations happen all
along the way and back again as nothing or no enegery is ever lost -only
converted.
and the musical chain of events is never one that is fixed
or etched in stone no matter where you or how you would choose to look at it
or place yourself as a musician.
aint no new notes as miles once said
and its all been done before even before you begin it - but you can have an
original perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already
been.
I also think how we perceive music most times says more about
"us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most times.
I'm
also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on record in some places
in print saying the sorta things that most of the posters regarding this
subject have already said concerning canned music- sucking.
in recent
days I have come to regret those dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's
& BPM matchers etc as not being true musicians...i think i was way wrong
and off the mark and regret having made those statements
but
hopefully we dont start asking - what is music?
That "age old
question" is more or less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope"
IMHO-where the time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining-
dialog detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate,
love, want or even reject at that matter.
& I could care less (
as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care less )
if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking knobs or
pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or need to have
affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid "musical"
experience.
My own personal experiences are valid without needing to
cross check them against my own database or anyone eles set of expectations
and inferences I would & or could make & perhaps may have been given
or learned to apply against all music(s)..
It seems like with all
those expectations.of validity where one would end up looking and feeling
and demanding the knowldge that something is a certain or particular way,
says that in any case you would again really only be there listening for and
looking for affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or
message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to you.
This
dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter from the legendary
Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The Flying Luttenbacher's (
http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers )
is quoted as saying which makes
reference to the AEN band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am
paraphrasing ) :
" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz they
dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with
music".
Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in that
sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music" despite
their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who demand their
performances and listening experience be "musical".
They ( COCK ESP )
just are not concerned with having to be anything other than what the music
asks them to be and thats pretty much all you can ever hope for
IMHO.
and i think thats all I happen to ever actively observe look
for in any performance context be it 3 feet away from the performer or when
listening in my bedrooom or on my car stereo.
But this "is it live or
memorex" talk also reminds me that I've always & still do really wanna
play a show where I just show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to
be like a very ornate and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch
with a remote control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are
on random play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous
women sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the
audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video screens.
all over the venue.
i think the pet shop boys,.erasure or kraftwerk
all may have done something quite similar to that effect...I'm rambling
again ...
guess i need to go & do it but i think it would
be fun and 100% musical in the process :).
"Remember To Always Kill Your
Expectations"
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
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