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case anyone is interested... i'm selling some vintage food on ebay.
Thats because 70's food is 30 yrs
old!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:10
AM
Subject: RE: Is it "Live" or
"Memorex"
Yeah, food in the 70s tasted WAY better than the
food does today...
My tube refrigerator cools my ketchup better than a solid state
one. Don't know why...but it tastes better too!
Actually, this brings up something I've been
curious about for a while. Does ketchup have a
direction?
>>ducks<<
aha!! it's the annual "are DJ's really
muscians" thread!
personally, i've always really liked mustard,
and never understood how anyone could like ketcup
...
mike
In a message dated 7/10/2002
11:39:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ssrndpty@hotmail.com
writes:
but it's not music.
It's music
apreciation.
you gotta be kiddin here when u say that
right?
they ( DJ's) may not be traditional musicians as that they
are perhaps as you say "playing with music" & especially doing just
that in the more operative sense in the context that you mention here -
such as BPM matching, etc.
But DJ Spooky doesnt just "play with
Music" and as someone else also mentionedThe ORB who didnt just "play
with music" as same can be said of DJ Shadow.
Alll the
afortementioned DJ's made very clear and distinct music IMHO and were
musicians as much as Yoyo Ma is a muscian and still could be considered
musical regrdless as to whther there is a backing track present or not
IMHO and still be able to obtain a certain type of virtuosity as a
possibilty for them as much as any other traditional musician can do the
same
But The experience of music is not just focused or dependent
upon what is happeing on the stage and doesnt have to be based upon the
process of actions a performer takes visually or physically as much as
it is perhaps more in the intentions and the connection with the
audience and the quality of that connection.. and also there within
where it goes or how it is dispersed.
that seems to be the way
you can observe what is happening without "you" getting in the way of
the music's story IMHO.
Its also sorta kinda like the difference
between the person who goes to the Buddha King All u can eat - Chinese
Buffet who combines pre-cooked foods to make a new dish and say contrast
that against a person who goes out to Philadelphia's Le Bec Fin - ( 12
star dining and Tres expensive and cooked by some of the world's best
and highly trained chef's who have spent years and years studuying the
culinary arts and can apprach cooking from many angles -
experiemntal-classical, and in between ).
But what you guys are
saying is like sorta sayin that the food at Buddha King isnt even food (
though there are arguments you could make to that effect concerning all
u can eat buffets as that it will surely kill you over time if you eat
the more unhealthy dishes they have there and if especially so,
you were to eat those unhealthy dishes in large portions it could give
you a stomach ache:)
But you cant say it isnt "food" they are
eating @ Buddha king just as much as you can not say that the
experince a customer has cant be blissful or enjoyable becasue they
didnt cook the food themselves or perhaps that it came from cans and all
that was done for the foods preparation was that it was put on a plate
for them or made by someone else in a microwave....and who's to say they
arent using microwave foods @ Lebec Fin?
I think folks are
expressing outrage at people whom they see as going to a Buffet who are
in turn claiming to have cooked a 12 star meal and conferring upon
themselves the status of chef...who cares & why not?
But from
my mind food is food - be it cooked or uncooked.
"cooking" is
just passing food along to another state as that combinations and and
re-combinations happen all along the way and back again as nothing or no
enegery is ever lost -only converted.
and the musical chain of
events is never one that is fixed or etched in stone no matter where you
or how you would choose to look at it or place yourself as a
musician.
aint no new notes as miles once said and its all been
done before even before you begin it - but you can have an original
perspective to bring to bear toward all of that which has already
been.
I also think how we perceive music most times says more
about "us" than any music we listen to or play as musicians most
times.
I'm also gonna do some flip flopping here as that i am on
record in some places in print saying the sorta things that most of the
posters regarding this subject have already said concerning canned
music- sucking.
in recent days I have come to regret those
dismissive comments I made concerning DJ's & BPM matchers etc as not
being true musicians...i think i was way wrong and off the mark and
regret having made those statements
but hopefully we dont start
asking - what is music?
That "age old question" is more or
less the most obvious - "idiots-slippery slope" IMHO-where the
time and energy invested in its self-affirming - defining- dialog
detracts from any sort of music you could ever claim to like, hate,
love, want or even reject at that matter.
& I could care less
( as most audiences feel the same way these days as they too could care
less ) if someone is actually playing or fervently working and tweaking
knobs or pushing some so called "boundary" that either i want and or
need to have affirmed for me to have a "significantly" & valid
"musical" experience.
My own personal experiences are valid
without needing to cross check them against my own database or anyone
eles set of expectations and inferences I would & or could make
& perhaps may have been given or learned to apply against all
music(s)..
It seems like with all those expectations.of validity
where one would end up looking and feeling and demanding the knowldge
that something is a certain or particular way, says that in any case you
would again really only be there listening for and looking for
affirmation of - self - regardless as to any context, genre or
message/story the music may or may not have to reveal to
you.
This dialog makes me think of Something that Weasel Walter
from the legendary Experimental-NoiseAvant Free Jazz-Rock troupe The
Flying Luttenbacher's ( http://mp3.com/flying_luttenbachers ) is quoted as saying which makes reference to the AEN
band COCK ESP ( http://mp3.com/cockesp )... the quote goes somethin like this ( as i am
paraphrasing ) :
" Music Sucks & COCK ESP doesnt suck - cuz
they dont play "music" and wont ever be concerned or preoccupied with
music".
Only now am I seein' what the wisdom & beauty is in
that sentiment as the irony is that COCK ESP does really "play music"
despite their aversion to anything to do with "music" and those who
demand their performances and listening experience be
"musical".
They ( COCK ESP ) just are not concerned with having
to be anything other than what the music asks them to be and thats
pretty much all you can ever hope for IMHO.
and i think thats all
I happen to ever actively observe look for in any performance context be
it 3 feet away from the performer or when listening in my bedrooom or on
my car stereo.
But this "is it live or memorex" talk also reminds
me that I've always & still do really wanna play a show where I just
show up and sit on a well adorned stage done up to be like a very ornate
and plush 1950's living room - where i am on a couch with a remote
control flicking thru all my "john price tunes" while they are on random
play where all the while I'm on the couch surrounded by gorgeous women
sipping the working man's champagne Pabst. Blue Ribbon - watchinmg the
audience watch themselves and me and...vice versa on video
screens. all over the venue.
i think the pet shop boys,.erasure
or kraftwerk all may have done something quite similar to that
effect...I'm rambling again ...
guess i need to go & do
it but i think it would be fun and 100% musical in the process :).
"Remember To Always Kill Your
Expectations"
JP/AKASH
"The World's Most Erotic Band"
http://www.akashmusic.com
http://www.mp3.com/akashmusic
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