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Here's an interesting thing--with LoopIII I was using multiply and insert to create a 12 bar blues pattern--I make reference to the specific sequence of button presses in a post from late 2000: The song I am constructing is a blues. I play a figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is two bars in length. I allow it to play one additional time (a vamp). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 3 or 4 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 5 begins, I am in insert mode and I play a "IV" chord figure for two bars which is a bluesy IV figure vague enough to pass for either an IV or a I7#9 (trust me). Around bar 6 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 7 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", the original cycle. I allow this to continue through bar 8--I press insert during bar 8, and when bar 9 arrives, I play the "V" chord for two bars, pressing multiply during bar 10. When bar 10 arrives, it delivers THE SECOND CYCLE! and during bar 12 I hit multiply. Are you with me? At this point I start adding cycles every other time as before--insert, multiply--but when I press multiply, it delivers THE FIRST CYCLE! And here's some more from another post: Let's alter the chord progression. We start with the same figure for the first phrase, the "I" chord, which is one bar in length. I allow it to play one additional time (now playing bar 2). I hit multiply, and the "song" begins. After the second cycle begins and bar 2 of the "song" is playing, I hit insert and when bar 3 begins, I am in insert mode and I play the "IV" chord for two bars. Around bar 4 or so I hit multiply again and when bar 5 arrives, I am treated to two bars of "I", as created by the original multiply. During bar 6, I hit insert and play the "V" chord for two bars (bars 7 and 8). During bar 8 I hit multiply. When bar 9 arrives, I expect two bars of the "I" chord. Instead I am jarred by one bar of "I" and one bar of "IV". What gives? Or to put it more clearly--with which cycle does the multiply begin? BTW the second progression corresponds to the harmonic progression for "Boil That Cabbage Down" or it would if I could get that far :=( In later posts the discussion develops--I cannot access all the posts as the Net seems to be sluggish tonight--and I was able to get the results I wanted (2 bars of the tonic) by multiplying the first cycle out to four bars for the first figure. But here's the deal: This sequence of front panel button presses no longer produces the same results in Loop IV! Doesn't look like you can follow insert with multiply to get another cycle of the original recording (I know, I've lost everybody now . . .) I discovered this when rehearsing my act for the Santa Cruz show--where I DID in fact play the "Boil That Cabbage Down" thing, but let myself get caught in the lobster trap--boy was I nervous-- Gary