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the phrase "hairwash in the shower" is palindromic (sort of). try it! Somewhere I have a list which came with a cheap sampler toy called a Yak backwards. (cheap mic/speaker/sampler with reverse and speed control, v.lofi) Lots of phrases that were either audio-palindromic or came out as a different intelligible phrase. (though most of them seemed not to work without a lot of imagination) andy