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To me an effect is something that just sits there and does it's thing with little or no interaction from the user. Like a reverb, or a chorus or distortion pedal, at least the way most people use such things. Sound goes in, gets changed in some consistent way, comes out again. Once you've turned the effect on you otherwise go about playing your instrument, which is the thing you interact with in order to convert whatever is inside you into audible music outside of you. The effect simply affects the way it sounds. So to me the instrument is interactive, the effect passive. From that perspective, a loop that is simply recorded and left to repeat indefinitely would fall more in the "effect" category. When you make looping an interactive effort where various techniques are used to change the resulting sound according to your musical directive, then looping becomes more of an instrument. kim At 10:44 PM 7/21/2002, Tom Dauria wrote: >what constitutes an "effect"? ayaya poopoo? this dialogue lacks >precision/syntactical cohesion *harshbud* > I guess "loop as effect" means "alterating ; ) a loop in some way >from >its original form" or some such gist. >-Tom the Tonal Transmuter > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com