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another group to use live looping: don caballero but their last album, american don, relied too heavily on looping and every song became a predictable overdub haven...like "ok, here's the basis...and here comes the harmony...and now the counter-rhythm..." and some VERY unnatural changes from one part to another. fades into parts that had little to do, harmonically with the previous parts. this is one thing they were very good at before they started looping. they could put together these crazy parts and they made perfect sense, but with the introduction of guitar loops it just became repetative and predictable. on the other hand, i think it's very easy to make the loop sound natural but you have to build it so that getting out doesn't sound abrupt or unnatural. otherwise it starts to sound like 5 seperate tracks mushed into one. -jim