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Very good point,nevertheless i am interested in documenting the state of mind i am in when i play because thatīs what music represents.Storing your compositions whether loops or music is more interesting than a diary i would say :o) cheers Lou > >Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful > >futuristic stuff there! > > I agree! > > >That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop > >storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono > in > >and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green > color? > >maybe someday... > > The "storing" part and the "transferable" part > always seem like > nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little > check box to have there on > the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and > easily transfer them to PC! > And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as > things I have much > need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them. > > Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or > what a lot of people > do now with looping, and the real music is not in > some singular "loop". > These guys are constantly manipulating the loops, > creating, evolving, > deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it > live! The music is more > about the process of interacting with the loops in > various ways. Working > with the repetitive elements, playing against them, > changing them, keeping > some elements repeating while fading or destroying > others. > > So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save > something that is a > constant evolution, what do you save? If you are > going to transfer it to > the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at > the end, or do you > record the whole process? I think it's the latter. > You do what Andre does, > you plug a recording device in, press Record at the > beginning, and Stop an > hour later... > > The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a > limitation, but at the same > time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I > used to hate it when I > had created a really cool loop and then had to > destroy it later. It seems > really negative at first. But after a while this > create-and-destroy process > caused me to realize that if I created something > good once I could create > something good again. A feeling of confidence grew > out of that - I could > rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an > improvising standpoint it > was a great learning experience. It's certainly not > a concept you can > easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it.... > > Lately I've been re-listening to a lot of old 90's > industrial music that I > loved back in it's time. Even filling out my > collections of various bands > to get all the stuff I missed back when I couldn't > afford more than the > occasional cd. Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy, > Ministry, FLA, etc. It > is really interesting to hear some of these bands > develop over time to > their greatest moments. Much of what makes > industrial music work is the > thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But > oftentimes that's where it > failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that. > > For example today I listened to various Meat Beat > albums. Early MBM just > seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to > their later albums. It > has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by > the sameness of the > repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an > ability to work with > the repetitive elements more. Some things change > while others don't, some > elements mutate over time, some elements drop out > and come back later. > There's more song structure, and more depth. Did > Jack just get better? or > have better tools available? I don't know. Going > from Storm the Studio to > Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really > obvious, the music gets > much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is > still a chunky feeling. > "Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk > and sing over it". > "Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short > wave radio > sample!" It feels very constructed. Don't get me > wrong, it's brilliant, I > can listen to it all day (and I did....) but they > never quite get the > in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really > miss the energy of that. > > And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with > this. I enjoy listening > to people like Andre, (or so many others here) > because there's something > alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I > always like, but it's > spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same > time. Not the stiffly > constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels > like, "well I recorded > this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it > somewhere, so how about here!" > boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen > break, a tb-303, an old > metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and > a porno, and it was > already done better than you're going to do it > anyway. I think it's time to > move on from that. play live! > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com