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Sometimes, Dolores, self-flagellation is a trick of the mind called "wishing you were here". Not YOU, but you know what I mean. Hopefully. But your perception of some internal event as flagellation- well, that's an issue you'd better deal with rather quickly. Re-label it "manifested physical passion in a non-responsive vacuum". Or leave out the non-responsive part and simply enjoy the mental ride. Because sometimes self-titillation stays - simply stays. Until it is seen as that rather than self-flagellation- and then even afterward, but at that point it's no cause for much thought. -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: dog's 'nads Steve, You are kind beyond words. Bless you. I'll TRY not to be the self-flagellating schmuck so much in future. I suppose it makes it look like I don't appreciate (or even possibly take issue with) people's generous praise. I don't mean that at all. I can't help myself. I am caught on the horns of an impossible dilemma -- an unquenchable desire/drive/need and a stubborn, insane commitment to create something (on the one hand) -- and an all-to-real mental self-image as the person (in all of the world) who is least likely to succeed at doing much of anything worth even the time of day. It has only been with the near-continual badgering of dear friends like Jeff Kaiser (who mixed, mastered and put out my CD) that I ever did a CD at all -- that, and I have this insane stubborn streak for "lost causes" I guess. Counciling hasn't helped. I can't give up -- even if I can't imagine ever "succeeding" (whatever the hell THAT is). As it happens, I also derive immense pleasure from making music "in the moment" that creation occurs. I suppose that's possibly the source of the stubbornness. Giving up music would be almost like giving up sex. I'd rather not live in that world. Oh well . . . Please bear with me. I don't wish to be difficult and co-dependent in some weird, sick and twisted way. Though that may be exactly what it look like Hi de ho, Ted Killian http://www.mp3s.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.htm