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> > I think this changes when you have a group where there is dynamics between > the > > players. My wife says, "You've got to have a gimmick or be pretty damn > cute." > > I think she's right. Maybe I need a gimmick? I'm not sure about a gimmick, but people will respond if you look like you're offering them something worth looking at. Your use of Rick Walker as an example is very apt - Rick's performance is exceedingly visual, and as such incredibly engaging for people who would normally never give stuff that abstract the time of day... His Dayglo Green Plastic piece is pretty far out there in terms of sound and whatnot, but when we played at Borders (BORDERS!!!!) in Sacramento, you had everyone from little kids to folks in their 70s getting down with their bad selves to Rick's exaggerated movements and engaging expression... it works wonders. I make a point of dressing in 'stage clothes' - which swings from hippy-ish sarong and floaty shirt through to my current 'si-fi muppet' outfit of shiny silver t-shirt and blue fluffy jacket (think Fraggle auditioning for bit-part in Deep Space Nine), and I smile. A lot. Also, if at all possible, make it fun, for pete's sake (unless, obviously, it's a requiem or something intended to be dark...) - no matter how seriously you take it, you've got to bear in mind where your audience are at and what you want to get across to them... Best bet is to video yourself, and see how it comes across... I've learnt a heck of a lot in the last couple of months about dealing with crowds!!!! cheers Steve www.steve-lawson.co.uk