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At 12:22 PM 1/3/2003 -0700, sine@zerocrossing.net wrote: >My wife and I have thought long and hard about this, and we really want to >move out of the U.S. Frankly, we feel the system is too broken to ever be >fixed and that democracy is long dead. However, unless you've got a >company >that's eager to hire you in a new country, it seems very difficult to move >these days. Any tips? Anyone want to sponsor to very skilled, hard >working >computer graphics/animation/music people? Can we seek political asylum? >I >hear the U.N. saying, "No war unless proof Saddam is hiding weapons." and >then >I see that we're dropping leaflets telling them to tune into American US >forces radio. Makes me physically ill. > >I never thought I'd say this but I'd move out of here in a heartbeat. Mark, That's exactly the way my wife and I have felt for quite a while. I spent 12 years during the 80's/90's doing my part for democracy and 'fighting the system'. By the last few years though, I was waking up every morning thinking "I've *got* to get out this frickin' country before it drives me nuts". Unfortunately, I never did. And while things had seemed to get better over the past few years, it all came rushing back again after the last election. As for jobs, a lot of countries are making exceptions for computer and technical professions in particular. Give some thought to which country you'd like to look at, and I can probably find some job links. You can probably get a rough idea by doing searches over in the global gateway at Monster (http://international.monster.com). You can also get some tips to start a general expat search at Escape from America (http://www.escapeartist.com) as well. And regarding political asylum, I've thought about the same possibility previously. Really, I think you might be able to make a case, but I don't know that anyone from here in the States has tried before. It would certainly be an embarrassment to the administration (bonus!). Generally, however, most of the countries that regularly act as asylums for the downtrodden and oppressed (the Netherlands, for instance) require that those requesting asylum be in imminent danger to life or liberty. I can definitely see where an American Muslim (or other alternative religion) may be able to make a case. Likewise if Ashcroft and company continue on their current course (i.e. detention camps for all...) one may be able to make a similar argument as a political dissident. It's going to vary from country to country, but let me know offline if you want to explore the possibility, and I'll see if I can scare up some more resources. -c- _____ "i want to reach my hand into the dark and *feel* what reaches back" -recoil