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To answer that flip remark, No. We haven't been told about the "ordinary" people who've been nailed in this situation, nor have we been told about enough details to make a judgement call on it. I must admit wondering why we've only seen Elton John saying something in his defense, at the AMA recently. I don't know whether that says a lot about Pete Townshend's other so-called friends, or the media being selective with their data. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louie Angulo" <laab2000us@yahoo.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:50:AM Subject: Re: whats up with Pete Townsend? > > man,i guess fame does has its price doesn´t it? > cheers > l.a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It comes down to a couple of actual facts, which are > > certainly never > > reported as much as the wild speculation and > > insinuation preferred by the > > press in the UK. So far this morning, Pete's still > > not been charged with > > anything, and he's out on bail, as well as > > volunteered his PC and CDs for > > police examination. No word after several days as > > to whether or not the > > coppers actually found anything. The only fact > > involved so far is the > > acquisition of his credit card info by an apparently > > notorious child porn > > web site running out of Texas, that was recently > > shut down. Most Americans > > have already heard about how the Postal Service not > > only has their own > > police force, but also has run stings in even > > "straight" porn, placing ads > > in magazines for mail-order and 900 numbers - and > > anyone who gets in touch > > with them is apparently guilty as hell, even if they > > were just mildly > > curious and decided to mail/call. > > > > It was the US Postal Service that gave Pete > > Townshend's info to the police > > in the UK, having found his credit card data in > > their culling through the > > confiscated stuff from the Texas bust. It's > > unfortunate and also > > unfortunately typical that British Tabloids (which > > include the Guardian by > > the way) have decided to convict him before any > > evidence beyond this single > > fact has been found - but if one reads the articles > > (if one knows how to > > sift through all the innuendo, vagueries and > > scandalous non-facts that is) > > you'll find that the only facts so far involve the > > credit card data, and > > Pete's handing over his PC and CDs before being > > asked to do so. > > > > I think back however on the fact that > > quasi-paedophilic material has been > > openly marketed to the world-at-large (and > > especially in the US) publicly > > and without any criticism whatsoever for years upon > > years. Remember "Bugsy > > Malone"? Jon-Benet Ramsey's cavorting in full > > makeup etc? So now, after > > years of this, a few folks being human get a little > > curious about it (and by > > this I don't obviously mean paedophiles), and not > > being on kiddy-porn > > mailing lists, go to a site to see what is going on, > > and get prompted to > > enter their credit card data. Theoretically it > > could be as simple as that. > > I recall that Pete Townshend not only has worked > > with anti-child abuse > > organizations in the past, but has said that he was > > abused himself as a > > child. Many songs from "Tommy" ("Fiddle About" and > > "The Acid Queen" come to > > mind) might then have greater perspective, yes? > > > > If you think about it though, all of those > > 'age-verification' routines > > involve a credit card. It might have been something > > as seemingly innocuous > > as this that yielded Pete Townshend's credit card > > data - which as you should > > know is not presented as the same thing as paying > > for entrance to such a > > site. Perhaps the Postal Service and the screaming > > puritans running their > > private police force think otherwise, and have > > decided to present such as > > the exact opposite. In the meantime the stingee > > swings in the media wind, > > convicted by proxy and innuendo. > > > > Before the Internet, British tabloids didn't tend to > > be read outside the UK, > > though their antics were certainly infamous > > world-wide. Now they might have > > to improve their responsibility factor, and live up > > to the standards held by > > the legitimate press. You'd think that having a > > good deal to do with the > > exascerbated conditions leading up to Princess Di's > > death would have caused > > this to occur. But then I'm probably wrong. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Tibert" <tibbe@pi.se> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 09:25:AM > > Subject: Re: whats up with Pete Townsend? > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, Jan 15, 2003, at 10:07 > > Europe/Stockholm, Louie Angulo > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I just listened to the news about Pete Townsend > > jesus, > > > > is this just celebrity sensationalism or for > > real? > > > > cheers > > > > L.a > > > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,874192,00.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > >