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At 05:49 AM 2/6/2003, Geoff Smith wrote: >Could anyone tell me what patches, live-loopers are using in MAX/MSP >the only ones I have been able to find are percolate and fripp >which both seem quite basic. >Does one know where any truely cool looping patches are for Max/Msp???? >I am trying to research how loopers are using new technology to redefine >the >compositional language of looping, but I am coming up against a brick wall >as far as MAX/MSP use is concerned. >Any help appreciated Personally I haven't really encountered many people doing real live looping with Max/MSP. At best I've seen relatively primitive long delay line type stuff, but nothing remotely like the type of interactivity of hardware devices like the repeater/jamman/edp etc. Another MSP application I remember somebody on the list developing was called Procrastinator, but again it was just 4 delay lines in parallel and not much else. Of course there is Radial, which is really more of a "live-remixing" application aimed at looped playback, mixing, and filtering of pre-existing samples. More like a phrase sampler that a looper. It's pretty nice for that, but quite different from the sort of looping most people here are interested in, where they are really creating all the sounds in the loop on the fly and interacting with it in real time as they play. If you come across anything else, please let us know. I suspect part of the problem is that crafting the interface and feature set of things like the edp or repeater takes years of effort and input from dozens (or even hundreds) of users to really refine the ideas. It is not easy at all. I imagine that most people working in Max/MSP don't remain so dedicated to the projects they start, and lose interest long before they get that far. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com