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i use this all the time...it's a great way to spend more than you had planned, which is the beauty of ebay (read: competition). fwiw: i read some time ago that ebay is frequented most by middle-aged white males. > a friend has found this technique useful: > open two browser windows, setup a bid ready to go in one, and then > refresh the other like crazy. if outbid, fire off the bid from the other > window. voila! you've become a sniper too! ;-) > bruce