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The Boss RC-20 pedal will store up to five minutes of looping in 11 separate "files", even after you power it off. I've found this useful for building the "foundation" of the loop, then doing more interesting things in front of the audience. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Paulzric@aol.com [mailto:Paulzric@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Surriptitious Loop Building Question: since most loop building consists of a real-time operator, hands-free, what are some options for building loops without the audience having to track the entire process? That is, at some point, I'd suspect, it would be nice to hit them with a fully developed loop that is consistent with the theme played at the time, but one that wasn't observed (or whatever word...witnessed, experienced) during its development? Any ideas, routing and gear and etc., would be appreciated. The lower the budget, the better, but not necessary.