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Loopers- A salesman must appeal to all the senses. This is the cardinal rule for those guys. You can induce a sense of dread with looping dissonance or heavenly hope with major thirds, but I would argue (politely) that without stimulating the other senses, the whole appeal will be lost in exactly 15 minutes, and this is not a quantum loss. This is a slow descent into disinterest, unless the audience is high or stimulated by other alternative meditative processes. I'm definitely not criticizing. And I've never been to a loop festival. And I'm interested, but not for only the music. I'm curious about the whole package. I, too, would like to loop live. I haven't seen an act that is entirely interesting unless it stimulates a greater portion of my gray matter than purely aural regions. And I'm very sensitive, as you all are too, to sound. Take Phish, for instance. They are not superstars in the sense of other over-the-top acts. I've never seen Trey leap into the crowd to be surfed from hand to hand. I haven't seen him spit on them either. He grins a little and bobs his head at the bemushroomed crowd. But the lights overhead dazzle. The lights are half the show. It's an organic unity: the lights, the music, the collective altered consciousness of the critical mass. In their heyday, they were the top grossing act. Of course, their counterparts, the Dead, didn't need necessarily to resort to such an outlandish display (Dead Heads, help me out here). But then again, I think the most stimulating movie at the time they were touring endlessly was Dog Day Afternoon or The Godfather. Today we have the most realistic, ultra-, meta-, supra-real material ever to touch the inner neurons of waking life. It's a different time. VW vans just don't have the hustle they used to. If a population of under stimulated, artistically minded, musically learned listeners can be accumulated by virtue of a single loop act, then go get 'em, but I would say that that artist has his/her work cut out. Unless the experience touches and reaches out to the far in places of an entire continuum of musical space, unless the appreciation of the Loop-Gestalt widens to encompass a whole gamut of listener appreciation, it will always be an esoteric art relegated to the occasional, and primarily peer supported, scene that I suspect is the case now. Perhaps there are acts the caliber of King Crimson out there generating a hype, but not to the extent that Neil Diamond, Liza Minelli, or Pearl Jam can foster. And they ain't loopin'. Now, that said, I ask myself: what is a looper's greatest strength? I answer his/her intelligence and technical prowess. You are all a bunch of highly advanced humans, and I wouldn't nor do not doubt it. Can this intelligence be collectively used to generate the necessary tools to engage a larger sample of the listening audience? Yes. How? Well, you can hash that out if you are interested. And if you are interested in hearing my idea, then read on. If not, then nothing lost, nothing conveyed. I suggest that a tool designed to be interactive via audience output as they in turn respond to the movements of the music be broadcast back to them so that they can experience visual feedback as well as the ability to determine that visual feedback based on collective behavior be developed. What a bunch of bamboozle, eh? No, but really, think about it--a system where the interested audience is outputting, via physical movement received by sensors (and we all know how zippy they are today), sensors for heat, sensors for frequency, sensors for position, sensors for I don't know what, all concerted and fed back to them via a dazzling light show, a light show that they determine based on their responses to the music. The music responds to the audience (to a certain extent); the audience responds to the music... another loop, a greater, collective loop--one where the music loops within the other, audience generated loops like planets...all for $19.95. Something is needed to push this looping effort over the edge. Certainly the loopers can be incorporated in a band, and I believe I've read about these acts. Any names? These bands probably could rely on the time tested, high-energy producing conventions that bands have relied on for some time. But for the ambient actor, the dreadful sound maker, the screeching feedbacker--for him, he's in a different predicament. He needs other elements. You've read my suggestion. Is this just science fiction, or can this be created? At what cost? Would it be patented? Could Aurisis handle this? Can I help with the manual? Paul