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----- Original Message ----- From: "mark" <sine@zerocrossing.net> > Nope, I totally disagree. If you put on big shoes and a red nose, > you're a clown. I know professional clowns who would have a severe hissy fit at that suggestion, in the same way that I get all upset when guitarists pick up a bass, play it like it's an oversized guitar and call themselves bassists - they look like bass players but are in fact guitar playing bass holders. The difference is only clear and label-able to the initiated, but the effects are felt by all. In the same way that if I dressed like a clown, you'd look at me and say 'Clown', but anyone who was really a clown would watch my attemts at CLOWNING (a real verb, that describes a creative pursuit, not just an idiosyncratic dress sense) and see in a secnd that I didn't have a clue what I was doing. I looked like a clown, and to the uninitiated could pass for a clown. But a real clown could behave like a clown without the shoes and nose (Charlie Chaplin, anyone?) and you'd know what they were doing... Where this fits with the valves/modelling debate is so beautifully poetic, I'm not going to spoil it but reducing it to some form of didactic left-brain thingie... ;o) big love Steve (solo bass noodling purveyor of clown-chic - coming to a venue near you soon) www.steve-lawson.co.uk