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Hey loopers I'm working on material in advance of my show next Friday with Rick Walker when he resumes his European tour in Belfast. (I'm a looping percussionist). I'm using a Yamaha Mx 12/4 desk with the DL-4 connected as a send/return on the effects bus. This allows me to have a number of microphones available rather than having to move either the mic to the instruments or moving the instruments to the mic too much. I have been struggling with the balance of the direct mic level and the feedback level when looping. The feedback level is noticeably (I would say 10-15%) lower in volume than the line level when the mix is at max. Even when I drop the fader for the mic to 0 it still is fed through the DL-4 at line level thereby effectively bypassing the main fader control. I also get the feedback signal on one side only (right) with the mic signal in the centre, the mic pan doesn't affect this. All slightly confusing I think this is mirrored when I attach the mic directly into the pedal but I'll have to re-check this I'd like to be able to control which mic signal is being sent to the DL-4 and to be able to choose to hear Mic / DL-4 or both. It's probably a mixture of signal routing and my ignorance of such matters so I'm grateful for any help. Duncan offered some words of wisdom in a recent similar thread <"we've noticed that the dl4 will do odd things to the "direct" level depending how the mix control is set and also if it has both inputs connected...."> Can Duncan or anyone perhaps explain the effect of having both inputs connected (as I am doing) and any tips or advice which can help me sort this out, I'm sure it's fairly straightforward Maybe I'm routing the signal incorrectly, maybe I've the mix set incorrectly, maybe I'm just being stupid :) One final question, what is the expression pedal that is recommended for the DL-4, not the Line-6 official pedal but the 'generic' model. Any idea of costs and where-to-get in the UK would be excellent. Regards loopists and thank you all Paul ---------------------- Paul Marshall Portfolio Sound Artist http://www.powerhaus.net http://www.drumdojo.com http://www.differentdrums.co.uk NI Facilitator for the Da Capo Foundation www.dacapo.co.uk Drumdojo Recommended link For June 2003 Percussion of Persia http://tinyurl.com/ddbg