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mr. Lawson writes > he just > didn't have adequate control over his thumb position playing. I don't remember that particular problem when I saw him play, but there were certainly times when his playing wasn't spot on rhythmically. Some of the "crowd pleaser" part of his set was dead rough. I notice he does use microtones though, sounding a low E with a high note between G and G# was once a trademark Eberhard sound. I really enjoyed his set though, a good lesson in musical looping without resorting anything more than record, overdub and fade > > I don't play upright. If I ever get one, I'll be taking it straight to a > luthier and getting at least very obvious position dots on the board, >if not > getting the whole thing lined... I'll never buy an unlined fretless >bass... It's official, Steve's intonation is spot on :-) andy butler