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There is a really interesting essay on Coltrane and his explorations of tonality in a book edited by John Zorn called, "Arcana: Musicians on Music." (ISBN: 188712327X) Some of the other essays are good, too. They deal a lot with creativity, and the place of the artist/musician in our culture today, and the perception of audiences so anyone who is interested in this thread might do well to check the book out. -J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Kroeger" <alank@akroeger.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: RE: developing musicians and a musical culture > I don't know that what Coltrane did was breaking the rules but expanding on > the existing ones which he was obviously fluent with.