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I'm sick of the 'entirely self taught' myth. The only possible way for this to occur is if you have never heard another person play music. Scott, I think you missed my point entirely. That's ok. This discussion group seems to get off topic FREQUENTLY, and I apologize for helping drive it that way. I'm going to try to keep my comments limited to subjects that actually pertain to the topic, LOOPING. Respect Will Brake Soul Fruit Electronics -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hansen [mailto:scott-a-hansen@uiowa.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: developing musicians and a musical culture >It begins by finding the right teacher for you. I will chime in on this, from my perspective: in that I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH Will's COMMENTS here. story: when i was in grad school (MFA) for art, a fellow student said that the only artists were those with MFA's. we all laughed, BECAUSE THERE ARE A MILLION GREAT ARTISTS OUT THERE NOW AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY who had no schooling, were entirely self-taught, etc. and then you could start to make the claim that a good number of successful artists from the last 100 yrs or so, were "dropouts" who couldn't succeed in the culture of "art schooling". the same argument can be applied to music. >Anyway, there is no substitute for the fundamentals. If you don't have a >grasp of your scales and chords, you won't be able to move your fingers to the proper place. hmmm, i think my fingers move just fine, and its so much more fun finding the improper places! end of my 2 cents... s--- --