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> What I tend to see is this: the more gear is involved in a performance, > the more the musical experience of looping seems to be about creating > this big, massive "thing" that is set into motion, and then sort of > spins around of its own accord, almost independently of the player. I think this is experientiall true, but that's more to do with the fact that few people take the time to really get inside the gear they are using and realise that the range of options they have doesn't neccesarily mean using everything all the time. It always takes a while to work that out, which is why the first version of my last solo album - Not Dancing For Chicken - was a glitch-fest. I'd just got an EDP and was determined to explore what it could do on all the tracks. Some of it was cool, most of it just wasn't me at all. It certainly didn't stand up to my 'music first' maxim. So I redid the album a month or so later, once I'd got over my initial infatuation with the EDP, and was able to make it subservient to what I was hearing in my head, rather than writing music purely to explore what the Echoplex would do. So some of the stuff on the album is in the juggernaut stylee that you describe. Some is in the ultra-simple one loop with melody and solo style, and others are a bit more developmental, bringing in some of the stuff that's possible with the feedback control on the EDP. Not knowing how a piece of rack gear works is just as dibilitating as having no chops at all on guitar - you lose control, and are a slave to whatever fumblings happen to come out when you pick up the guitar (and no, I'm not advocating a satch approach over Neil Young - by no chops, I just mean no control over what you're doing, not specifically playing really really fast widdly stuff... ;o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net www.pillowmountainrecords.co.uk (buy CDs) www.pmrecords.gemm.com (buy the same CDs) www.solobassnetwork.org.uk (other people making solo bass noises)