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At 03:52 PM 8/23/2003, brian tester wrote: >Hey there Kim. The point of modular software like max/msp and reaktor is >that you can create instruments and user interfaces that meet your >particular needs. yes, I understand that. My point is that people have been saying this for years. So far the number of good loopers I've seen created by these people is 0. So if this is such a great way to create a looper, how come nobody ever does? I'm beginning to draw the conclusion that this these modular software systems are actually a terrible way to create a looper. It seems more like an excellent way for geek musicians to waste a lot of time not playing music. I'm hoping that somebody can prove me wrong and show me a good looper created this way, but I've been waiting years for that now and I haven't seen it yet. >If you don't see something you like that just means that you have to >build >it yourself. Inevitably this gives you added insight into the process of >making the music -- since you get to do it from the inside out. Yes, I did that already. It's called the Echoplex. We've spent over 10 years to create it and it was really, really hard. The idea that somebody could just spend a few days stringing together some modules in Reaktor to produce a viable modern looper seems really funny and naive to me. But I'm willing to be proven wrong about that. I'm just tired of hearing about this great promise that is never fulfilled, so I'm challenging you to show me some results. Where is it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com