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["David Durian" <daviddurian@msn.com>]

I think Kim makes a point that is probably "right on" for a vast majority 
of 
most people into looping in a lot of ways:

"if that is all the functions they need and they just want to dabble in 
looping a bit, then they are right. They would be happy with the DL4 and 
that is what they should buy. Why should they start out with the high-end 
product? As they learn more about looping they may start wanting a higher 
end product with more features. Then the price of an echoplex might be 
worth 
it to them."

How many people here on the list bought the EDP as their first looper, 
without first being introduced to it through some other looper first 
(boomerang, DL4, Jam Man, etc)? I could be overgeneralizing here, but it 
seems like most of the posts I've read from people state that they started 
looping on something else first . . .

At least some portion of us started looping in the early 90s, right? And 
what would we have probably started with--the Jam Man right? Over time, 
some 
of us moved to the EDP, either directly from the Jam Man or maybe through 
some others (boomerang) or to the Repeater.

That's true for me, who started on the Jam Man, then got 2 for stereo, 
then 
finally, after nearly 10 years, moved to 2 Echoplexes (and now a Repeater, 
too). And I know it's true for Mark S, because I've talked to him about 
it. 
He was a Jam Man guy who moved to Repeater.

The point is . . . I think Kim is correct in what he is saying about the 
"market share" for the EDP. It's not really meant to be your first looper. 
It's something you "grow into" once you start on other machines. If you 
find 
those machines too limiting or you don't like the quirks of the some of 
them 
(like some people feel about Repeater, for example), or if you're like me 
and decided you wanted to make some changes to your overall approach to 
looping, then you move in to the EDP.

Sure, I can agree with a lot of people that maybe the EDP is a bit 
pricey--hell, I bought two brand new, so I know what it means to pay for 
them--but it really is the best tool on the market right now in terms of 
full function, real time looping.

I think it really has to come down to a question for the user--do you 
truly 
need the EDP to make your art, or will your (insert looper here) suffice? 
And if it doesn't suffice, and you really do want to make your art using 
it--can you live without something else? Do you need three sound effects 
processors or could you get by with 2? Do you need 2 synths or synth 
modules, or is 1 enough?

I just recently went through all this--I had to make some real tough 
choices--I've updated most of my gear over the last 3 months and did 
almost 
all of it (except buying the echoplexes) buying gear through Ebay used.

And so I decided to look hard at everything I had accumulated since I 
began 
playing at 13 and went with the credo "what can I live without--what is 
truly at the core of what I need to make music?" It took me a few months 
to 
decide, and then I went for it.

And I traded a whole bunch of gear that I got over a 15 year period 
basically--I sold stuff and managed to stay within the range of what I 
brought in from sales to buy new equipment, which is why I'm saying I 
traded 
it.

But it took me doing that soul searching to make it all make sense. And 
for 
me, that's how it all finally came together. In terms of my musical life, 
that's how I was able to determine my priorities.

I guess what I am trying to say is--if you want it to be so--if you want 
that EDP or 2 EDPs, you can do it. You just have to decide if it truly is 
vitally important to you or not.

And I'm not just saying this all to be a "Kim" cheerleader or anything. I 
was offended by his comments about poor people, too. But, as Rick said, we 
all have to learn to get along and respect each other, even if we 
disagree. 
Otherwise, why be on this list?

But when the man is right, well, I respect him enough to say so.

Just some thoughts,

the other David :)

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