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Dear Loopers, Much as I disagree with Kim's point of view (even to the point of feeling triggered and getting angry by it) I realize that we are not our emotions. We merely have them and if we feel them fully they pass through us and don't control us. I think it is perfectly okay to get angry and express it, because it helps one from stuffing feelings which really lead to dysfunctional behaviour. The fact of the matter is that I have pissed Kim off in the past and he has pissed me off in the past. I still think of him as my friend. I hope he still thinks of me as a friend. My working definition of intimacy is having the ability to share both positive and negative feelings with someone who you are friends or lovers or family with.....................and always agreeing to meet on the other side with a new appreciation of that person. Someone once said, "You cannot truly love what you don't know." Consequently, I think this thread on the economics of the EDP has been fascinating, stimulating, adrenalin producing and a good thing. To me it's all good as long as we are not abusive with each other. The only thing I really regret at all is that much of the thread has been titled 'Cranky Kim'. I know he probably isn't at all fazed by this and, knowing him a little, he probably even gets some perverse glee out of it, but I think we'll be the most productive if we keep the personalities out of it and stick to the ideas. next pertinent question: Why can't the Europeans get the EDP and at a comparable price? my two cents, Rick