Could
you please turn the read receipts off ?
-----Original
Message-----
From: Francois LEBRUN
[mailto:fr.lebrun@free.fr]
Sent: 30 October 2003 6:51 PM
To:
Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Evangelizing Apples
and Oranges
thanks
for this posting.
if
somebody as good clues on improving the sound quality,
it is interesting (not
meaning I need them, but I'd love to read
about other's experience and
tips).
Also
good point about the front panel design (not very impressed with the EDP,
lots of small labels; on the
other hand, the display size is perfect, very readable).
crystal clear
understanding at a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a given
moment
I sure can see what you
mean; and I also fully agree on the one about "press and hold these 3
buttons etc etc ..."
hmmmm
.... mixed emotions I must say ...
-----Message
d'origine-----
De: S V G
[SMTP:vsyevolod@yahoo.com]
Date: jeudi 30
octobre 2003 18:21
À: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Objet: Re:
Evangelizing Apples and Oranges
In response to the current thread about comparing the EDP apple with the
Repeater orange...
well I guess this topic hasn't arisen in over a year so
why not take a whack at it... :)
The two devices are based on very different technology, each unit approaches
seemingly
simliar tasks in very different ways. The thing
about it is that there are some functions that
are identical or very nearly similar on the two
boxes. They both radically depart from each other
pretty early on. One of the big similarities
concerns the loop starting point and the
seamlessness of the EDP vs. the artifact created by the
Repeater. Also that with the EDP, you can
go immediately from recording your first loop to
overdubbing without the obligatory 1 second wait
that must be observed with the Repeater. This all
stems from the difference in design
architecture and I feel it is important to keep this in
mind. One architecture allows an enormous
number of possibilities along several paths, while the
other architecture allows another enormous
number of possibilities along several other paths.
I own a Repeater and not the EDP. So I am very familiar with the quality
of sound of the one
and not the other. I hear a degradation of sound in
the Repeater, though with proper gain
staging, it is very slight. I have heard the EDP in
several different situations, one of them
being in one of my bands where the guitarist uses one
quite often. Every time I've heard the EDP,
my sense is that the quality of reproducing a sound is
much lower than the Repeater. I wouldn't
like to make this a hard and fast judgement because I've
never worked with it myself. Certainly I
could do the necessary optimizations to pull the maximum
tone out of the EDP and get a real sense
of it's quality of sound? Has anyone else done this
and what do you have to report? My sense is
that the EDP sucks tone more than the Repeater. A
loss of high end while adding a digital
harshness is what I've observed from the EDP. I'd
love to hear that it's just improper gain
staging and that it can really sound nice after all.
A point about the Repeater that I have come to enjoy more and more (and really
a point about
the entire line of Electrix gear), is the incredibly well
thought out front panel. Even a step
above the rest of the Electrix line, the Repeater has
such a nice feel to it. The raised silver
section around the transport controls has these great
details: Physical barriers between the
reverse and stop buttons and the play and record buttons
to discourage sloppy or inaccurate
presses, indented undo, copy, and replace buttons to also
encourage accuracy, very logical
arrangement and flow of the panel overall, without an
overwhelming variety of "press and hold
these three buttons with your left hand while moving this
fader with your nose and turning that
fader with your johnson to get such and such special
functions...", crystal clear understanding at
a glance of what's going on throughout the system at a
given moment.
Andre LaFosse is a great example of someone who has gone in depth with the EDP
and allows the
tool to inform his own playing style and musical
output. I use the Repeater in a similar way. It
is so difficult to compare them. Though it seems to
be pretty easy to want something to be what
it's not. Like any tool, I'd encourage you to look
at each piece of gear as containing it's own
particular qualities and mysteries. It is then up
to you to unlock for yourself some of what is
available. Depending on who you are and how you
work and where you want to go, each tool will
work differently for each person.
I work in an improv trio (two keyboardists and one guitar). The Repeater
almost never comes
into play because the sound is already rich and full
enough. If that trio ever works as a duo
(which happens often enough), the Repeater gets quite a
workout. I rely on it to provide that
extra layer of sound which I can rest on and do other
things. And in a solo context, it becomes
an essential and well used friend.
Stephen
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