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Someone mentioned defining the beginning and end of a loop window. This is possible already in Loop IV. I personally use sus unrounded multiply quite alot, and once you've established a window, you can then redefine it at will simply by remultiplying the loop. One of the things I like to do, is to multiply a really tiny loop length, (thank you Andre, <smile> -or I should say, West Coast Andre! lol!) and then, after windowing a bit with that, redefine the loop length to a larger loop again, and window through some more until I get something I like. You can effectively arrive at the same or similar loop length you started with this way. It's tres' cool! Smiles, Cara --- View my online portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/model_list.cfm?ID=52516 -Last updated on Mon. 10.27.03 "The only things I really think are important, are love, and eachother. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~thefates Please visit BadFiction and The Guitar Cafe. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badfiction http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-guitar-cafe